I don’t know how relevant this is now, but here’s a link to another post where I expressed my thoughts on what kind of pitfalls you might most likely face – https://lemmy.world/post/36867409

By the way, what is this phenomenon on Lemmy? Let’s say people are reluctant to read and comment on old posts published just a couple of days or a week ago, but with new ones, it’s a completely different story. What kind of psychology is this? Or it seemed to me?

  • Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    So your version of UBI is just increasing everyone’s taxes by $12,000 then giving that back to them at the end of the year? So your average person isn’t effected, the “oligarchs” get taxes a bit more to pay for the unemployed who are the only ones getting the $1,000 each month. How is this different then unemployment insurance? You only get the benefit if you’re making no money / unemployed so in a sense it is conditional.

    UBI prevent corruption through an obvious individual cash sacrifice.

    I thought UBI was revenue neutral and wouldn’t effect other programs / the budget. If the government wants to build a bridge theoretically they won’t want to touch UBI so they’ll just raise taxes / deficit to cover it. This is the same system we have now, UBI doesn’t change that.

    you are taking cash away from everyone to accomplish it.

    You are already doing that, that’s how taxation works, that doesn’t stop corruption. That’s also only looking at graft style corruption, it does nothing for the campaign contributions for regulatory changes that is more common. This isn’t stopping an oil billionaire from donating $1 billion to trump’s campaign so he can poison the drinking water of a minority neighborhood. The only way to stop that is to take away there money. Even if you do campaign reform money will always find it’s way into government.

    Marx by advocating for labour’s supremacist

    While Marx was firmly on the side of labour you don’t have to be a labour supremacist to benefit from understanding his analysis on capitalism and class conflict. A trade unionist benefits a lot from reading Marx to understand how to fight for there members while not advocating for the abolition of capital. Same with you, you seem to want more labour power and less capital power, understanding Marx’s analysis on capital power can help you.

    Rich people employing you to make useful stuff that makes you both richer than not having that opportunity, while again, making useful stuff that people want

    Why do I need that rich person employing me? Me and all the other laborers can make useful stuff that makes us all richer without the employer. A capitalist does not make anything, they own things and use that ownership to get a cut of your productive labor. If the workers of an enterprise just stopped giving the capitalist there profit and distributed it evenly there wages would go up and production would keep going. The only thing keeping them from doing that is property rights.

    Your complaint with oligarchs is that there squeezing labor for production is one inherent to capitalism. The capitalist will always try to lower wages and increase production to increase profits. The best way to help workers then would be to remove the capitalist and there profit motive and replace it with management elected by the workers. This is true freedom as the workers are now in complete control of there wages and working conditions.

    Also you can have free and fair markets without capitalism. The workers can own the means of production in co-ops and compete with each other on free and fair markets to sell there products, they just can’t trade there share/stocks.

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      So your version of UBI is just increasing everyone’s taxes by $12,000 then giving that back to them at the end of the year? So your average person isn’t effected

      Average income is higher than median income such that 60%-80% of people have below average income. I’m just saying that UBI is net credits = net debits before lowering deficits/discretionary budget through program cuts.

      How is this different then unemployment insurance?

      first you have to stay unemployed to keed receiving benefits. Young or other people studying without recent previous labour force participation are supported. Entrepreneurs, interns, and everyone else is supported.

      You only get the benefit if you’re making no money / unemployed so in a sense it is conditional.

      No. If income tax rates are 5% higher, you get full amount at 0 income, but a linear partial amount until net 0 benefit at $60k income. A 5% sales tax is same thing except for spending instead of income.

      You are already doing that, that’s how taxation works, that doesn’t stop corruption.

      Corruption stems from discretionary spending. That bridge to nowhere someone wants is because their friends would be paid to build the bridge.

      Why do I need that rich person employing me? Me and all the other laborers can make useful stuff that makes us all richer without the employer.

      UBI helps you do that. It might takes months to make the useful thing, and you’re only paid after delivering it. You will need less capital with UBI, and more confidence from lenders that as long as they are paid before you are, they can loan for equipment/building rentals to float you until you make your sale. Capital is a genuinely useful function. A society doesn’t need to grant it extortionist protections which is what gives it a bad name. Property rights exist in communal/coop groups too. Communal property is still property.

      The capitalist will always try to lower wages and increase production to increase profits.

      Everyone is self interested. It is corrupt power imbalances that corrupts the supremacist side into being absolute assholes. It is UBI that gives you the power to organize with like minded comrades on buying the means of production, including the power to invest time for future returns.