If you’re in a public space, people may be filming you.
It’s a PUBLIC space, not yours. Your lack of self-control will rightly get you fucked up if you assault the wrong person, and there’ll be a good chance of everyone watching a satisfying video of you getting punched while trying to take someone’s phone.
Something being in a public space does not give everyone there free reign to do things that are rude. And given the upvotes/downvotes it seems like most people tend to agree with me here.
I was not going to downvote your comment despite disagreeing with it, but since you are now citing your downvote/upvote ratio as proof that most people support your position, you now get downvotes from me.
When in public, you can be recorded. Your permission isn’t required. Public spaces belong to all. People have the right to film, take photos, and record audio. If you don’t want that, campaign for legislation to change it. “Rudeness” isn’t a legal term. If you can’t tolerate being recorded in a public space, even “rudely”, leave. Go somewhere else. If you assault someone recording you in public, you will potentially get the shit kicked out of you by that person, bystanders, and/or cops.
The state, in a legalistic framework, has a near-monopoly on justified escalation to physical violence. The person recording you has to be assaulting you first or disturbing the peace to a degree that it endangers you or other people’s safety in order for your violence to be justified as defense.
You can’t start a fight legally, but you can finish one. “Rudeness” isn’t a good enough reason to start swinging.
TLDR: The law and it’s philosophical/moral foundation and practical application doesn’t run on what you think, and society is better for it.
Once again, the law says you aren’t protected from being recorded in a public space, attractive or not. There’s a plethora of ways to legally record people overtly and covertly in public. The law also says you can’t grab other people’s stuff and destroy it to prevent being recorded.
If the guy was assaulting her or disturbing the peace, she’d be justified in using violence to defend herself. She also had the option to talk to a cop and accuse this guy of harassment, which he was doing and others may have recorded evidence of that. But one is not morally or legally justified in starting fights, only finishing them as self-defense. The amount of force legally acceptable falls under the umbrella of the concept of “reasonable application of force” within what’s commonly known as a “force escalation continuum”.
So, no “creeps” shouldn’t be allowed to record women as that would constitute harassment, but it’s better to go through proper legal channels than pretend to be a tough-guy/girl and start an altercation that may have permanent consequences.
and there’ll be a good chance of everyone watching a satisfying video of you getting punched
Funny how everyone agrees with the woman’s actions and finds them satisfying instead.
Yet you are trying to use this argument to defend the asshole guy. Well, watch the video again and see how not a single person said anything, clearly they all agreed with the woman’s actions and the guy got what he deserved.
Civil justice in progress when the laws and authorities fail.
Luckily laws can be changed. If there was a trial and a jury decided she is innocent, there would be precedent for all future cases to side with the person being filmed without consent and not the assholes.
I’m not defending this guy, and yes, as I stated laws can be changed to account for new technologies and new definitions of public spaces and privacy rights.
The point I’m making is that people shouldn’t start altercations that may have permanent consequences over their anger control problems, including the woman in question.
You can’t put your hands on people unless they put their hands on you first, tough guy.
If you’re in a public space, people may be filming you.
It’s a PUBLIC space, not yours. Your lack of self-control will rightly get you fucked up if you assault the wrong person, and there’ll be a good chance of everyone watching a satisfying video of you getting punched while trying to take someone’s phone.
TLDR: Control yourself, tough guy.
Something being in a public space does not give everyone there free reign to do things that are rude. And given the upvotes/downvotes it seems like most people tend to agree with me here.
I was not going to downvote your comment despite disagreeing with it, but since you are now citing your downvote/upvote ratio as proof that most people support your position, you now get downvotes from me.
Fuck internet points.
When in public, you can be recorded. Your permission isn’t required. Public spaces belong to all. People have the right to film, take photos, and record audio. If you don’t want that, campaign for legislation to change it. “Rudeness” isn’t a legal term. If you can’t tolerate being recorded in a public space, even “rudely”, leave. Go somewhere else. If you assault someone recording you in public, you will potentially get the shit kicked out of you by that person, bystanders, and/or cops.
The state, in a legalistic framework, has a near-monopoly on justified escalation to physical violence. The person recording you has to be assaulting you first or disturbing the peace to a degree that it endangers you or other people’s safety in order for your violence to be justified as defense.
You can’t start a fight legally, but you can finish one. “Rudeness” isn’t a good enough reason to start swinging.
So again, control yourself.
I didn’t suggest assaulting anyone, you’re trying to paint this in a more violent light than it is.
Forcefully grabbing someone’s property to break it is assault.
Then why is Donald Trump not in jail?
Because his handler has blackmail material on the people who would be able to do something about it.
So, we are now supposed to just let creeps video record women because they paid for fancy glasses? Anyone notice this was a young, attractive woman?
TLDR: The law and it’s philosophical/moral foundation and practical application doesn’t run on what you think, and society is better for it.
Once again, the law says you aren’t protected from being recorded in a public space, attractive or not. There’s a plethora of ways to legally record people overtly and covertly in public. The law also says you can’t grab other people’s stuff and destroy it to prevent being recorded.
If the guy was assaulting her or disturbing the peace, she’d be justified in using violence to defend herself. She also had the option to talk to a cop and accuse this guy of harassment, which he was doing and others may have recorded evidence of that. But one is not morally or legally justified in starting fights, only finishing them as self-defense. The amount of force legally acceptable falls under the umbrella of the concept of “reasonable application of force” within what’s commonly known as a “force escalation continuum”.
So, no “creeps” shouldn’t be allowed to record women as that would constitute harassment, but it’s better to go through proper legal channels than pretend to be a tough-guy/girl and start an altercation that may have permanent consequences.
Funny how everyone agrees with the woman’s actions and finds them satisfying instead.
Yet you are trying to use this argument to defend the asshole guy. Well, watch the video again and see how not a single person said anything, clearly they all agreed with the woman’s actions and the guy got what he deserved.
Civil justice in progress when the laws and authorities fail.
Luckily laws can be changed. If there was a trial and a jury decided she is innocent, there would be precedent for all future cases to side with the person being filmed without consent and not the assholes.
“b… b… bUt iT wAs a PuBlIc PlaCe” - the assholes
I’m not defending this guy, and yes, as I stated laws can be changed to account for new technologies and new definitions of public spaces and privacy rights.
The point I’m making is that people shouldn’t start altercations that may have permanent consequences over their anger control problems, including the woman in question.
You can’t put your hands on people unless they put their hands on you first, tough guy.
So, creepy men are now allowed to stare and record videos of women because technology allows it?