Enshittification is a feature of capitalism, not a bug.
Two companies where the customer relationship can be described as abusive.
You know. I know it. It’s your choice to stay or leave.
Sick of the bullshit excuse of “all companies will abuse me” mantra.
Abusers need you to believe that.
It’s a tiring conversation that you do for attention. Let me know when you actually want help escaping. Until then leave me about of your victim performance.
Where does Apple fit on this meme?
They’re just offscreen taking your wallet.
If we all want linux phones. we’re all going to have to go through some initial pain of using linux phones while its still a bit rough. Its the only way out of the duopoly (short of legislation). We have to buy linux phones and makes apps.
For now we can even use waydroid for using some android apps
We need to stop calling it side loading. Say it what is is android wants to stop people from installing apps
“Installing independent apps”
But you’re installing apps when you click install on Play Store too. Sideloading refers to installing stuff outside of (the official) app store.
They are using “sideloading” to confuse the masses and give it a negative connotation
Sideloading was an established term ages ago. You can always discuss their purpose in using it but it’s not like they’re using differing terminology to what was already established as the norm.
Google wants to monopolize installing programs on your phone.
There. That should make them cower in fear.
Preventing installing outside of their monopoly is the correct term, not side loading, that’s just propaganda to make you feel bad for using your device freely.
Yeah they’re built on top of open source anyways… yet they pretend projects like chrome or android would’ve never happened without them. They’re the ones freeloading off of open source and claiming it… and except for pixel they don’t build the devices we use, so fk them and their predatory practices…
Niche communities like this care. Normies don’t care at all. That’s where enshitification comes from, from the fact that companies don’t get punished by the majority of their userbase even when they pull pretty extreme shit.
I think the problem I’d that they’re sold on the idea if simple/easy being the highest version of technology, that frictionless and smoothe is better than empowering or secure.
Its the pitch that got them to pick up smart phones, after all. And that’s what needs to change.
But the average American is tech dumb, and will happily fuck up their own devices. I work at a university, the number of students who think “restart your PC” means “hold down the power button until it dies” is sad. Some of them can’t figure out the exam software we use, like the “reset password” link. They have a mixture of Avast and Kaspersky that was preinstalled on their devices, long expired, which is the only barrier against them getting malware from the random shit they install. Browser hijacks are super common. They don’t know how to fix those, sometimes they just buy a new laptop.
So I’m not convinced the average American SHOULD have a device that’s complex and requires a lot of understanding. iOS is incredibly popular for a reason - you don’t have to be a genius, old people and children can use it, and it’s not going to leak your saved credit card info because you installed some random “app” from an ad, which is actually of course malware.
This site is full of people who think the average American is just a RTFM away from being as tech literate as them… please go out and do some end-user support to see what they’re really like. Simple, easy, secure should be what people expect.
They’re infantilized. They’re made to be children, their brains depatterned into sludge by systems that give no options and respond as they want to, to manipulate the user rather than to do what the user wants. All of our technology does this. Modern ux design is fucking violence. You can hear corporations glory in how far this has come. It’s horrible.
It’s not that they need to RTFM. It’s that they need to be challenged and put in a position where their agency is exercised and their choices matter. They need technology to be meaningfully a part if their reality, rather than fantasy bullshit a tech billionaire just kind of decides/does in their direction. They need to heal. They need to reclaim their humanity and ability to apply logic to the world. And then maybe also to RTFM.
And until they do our technology will be violence.
You, as the it department, will be the managers of that violence, the theological police chief of the mystical real of domination and deception that is technology in this paradigm, rather than the infrastructural support mechanic you want to be. It’s why they don’t respect you; because your job isn’t real to them, its just the excuse to intrude upon them ever farther. Your stated philosophy makes you the enemy of all humanity, which is metal as fuck but not good.
I don’t think about the avarage american, i think about the avarage person
I like my response more, but yours is pretty good.
They care after the fact but they dont understand and are hostile to the idea of trying to.
And only care once it directly affects them, because they’re tired of politics and the likes.
Thwy are infantilized. Children who would rather die than grow.
iOS: the OG user shitter.
It was called Mac os first, child.
One of my favorite memories about Macs was in the school computer lab. I crashed the system by plugging in a USB with a word doc I needed on it. Nothing more than plugging a USB in and getting a stack trace. The lab monitor was adamant that I couldn’t have crashed the mac because iT jUsT wOrKs and basically blue screened when he saw it.
Good times. Mainly because I haven’t been forced to use it outside of labs.
When was this? In my school years, the lab Macs were garbage. But I’ve had much better experience with more recent Macs (though I’d prefer to not use them in general).
Mac OS is heavily Unix-based, it’s not a terrible operating system. But it is an awful user experience if you’re not used to it.
I’ve been having to use a modern Mac for the first time in a new job, and I think you summed up my experience with it perfectly. God I hate how “helpful” everything is about the user experience
We need to evolve the format
Stuff like this is why i daily-drive Linux for over a year now; windows 10 only exists in a VM for stuff that refuses to work (i use this VM about once or twice per month for an hour or so). Originally i just didn’t want ads in my start menu, preventing a local user would have sped up the switch to instant instead of 2 weeks.
I haven’t missed Windows at all. Don’t even have a reason to set up a VM set up for it.
Yeah but users are dumb. This happens constantly. Microsoft starts with a switch so users can disable something unwanted, then they remove the switch.
The annoying part of actually the dumb users who defend bad behavior with “you can turn it off”, keeping people on the software instead of making meaningful changes to Linux or something else.
Of the changes listed in that article, which do you think are scummy? It wasn’t clear from the link you dropped.
Yes, I did read it. I’m asking you to explain how it supports your opinion.
You don’t even need to go into the article. The scummy thing is right there in the hyperlink.
What alternative do we have for phones? Is Lineage os simple enough for the average user?
Followup question: what alternative do people with locked bootloaders who don’t want to get a new phone have?
I just bought a phone earlier this year before I heard the news, and I planned on keeping it for the next four years, given that it’s a brand new, high-end flagship device. I don’t plan to sell. I don’t want to sell. It’s the best phone I’ve ever had!
Always has been ;) E.g. my parents are rocking LOS+microg since forever, they have no idea what adb, fastboot, flashing, partitions, rom, root etc mean.
And if you get the right device it’ll take you literally two minutes to install. But installing ANY operating system is just something the average Joe doesn’t do today, so help people out or get yourself some help the first time. Same with Linux on desktops.
Not on my phone / computer!
I will literally just stop using a phone for anything but work. They suck anyway and have always been a shitty alternative to a computer and are constantly tracking us. We have been soft coerced into accepting this low quality alternatives.
I will use my computer with intention and have already started considering leaving my phone at home entirely when I leave.
At this point I just want a tiny palmtop Linux computer like one of those GPDs, or what the Open Pandora / Fira? was supposed to be, so I can do actual tiny computer things.
And just keep a “smartphone” to blend in with normies and survive in society at a basic level.
I’m so sick and tired of having to hunt down some super specific (but hopefully popular enough for developers) SoC phone hardware that’s probably only sold in Europe anyway, so I can put a decent OS on it, which requires a whole weekend of steps because the hardware manufacturer doesn’t want you to, and it’s all good and dandy
“Except the camera doesn’t work and Bluetooth will randomly die.”
…Just to sidestep the ever present corpo-government panopticon trying to 24/7 beam the ad-verse directly into your brain.
My first iPhone 3GS was so exciting at first, so was my first Android I could put Cyanogen on. Now I hate these stupid manifest-landfill bricks because they’re so adversarial to human well being.
I just wish it didn’t require some absolute miracle of moved mountains to get some hardware that belongs to whomever buys it, instead of being black-boxed and booby-trapped to shit “Because screw you, that’s why.” Because The Market™ became about indebting and mining, instead of just selling a thing.
Agh! Sorry for the rant.
(Sent from my Motorola Stylus because they’ll at least unlock the boot loader if you ask nicely and I can use my SD card and drawing on it is neat.)
I have the GPD microPC. I’ve run Fedora and Arch on it both with great success. It supports s3 deep sleep mode so the battery lasts days with light use.
My only complaint is that the keyboard and mouse buttons are terrible. Ive also never been able to get it to fast charge (which it claims to support).
I tried their slightly larger models as well. A little too big for holding like a tablet and typing.
I heard the microPC 2 is out now.
Literally bought a new phone just so I could have a work phone with standard Android and my phone, with Google ripped out at the root level. (Also ripped out the dedicated ai button software)
Has Microsoft started locking local user accounts?
I mean, actually locking them, not just preventing them from being created.
Preventing their creation on newly installed computers. No workaround as of now.
Oh good, another reason to install Linux on my next reinstall
It might be a stupid reason, I always used a local account even when connecting a Microsoft account later, since I absolutely hate how Windows names the user folder for MS accounts…
If it’s a PC, just grab another drive and install Linux now. Swear to god, you’ll naturally and very quickly just not boot to Windows again. It’s like…
Day 1: Install Ubuntu. Drive around, do stuff, learn.
Day 3: Install a different distro like Mint or whatever. Drive it around.
Day 5: Install the one you ended up liking most. All these installs take like 10 mins top btw, so go nuts.
Day 10: You havent used Windows except maybe for your work’s 365 stuff. All you games, programs, etc. are on Linux now.
Day 14: Wipe the drive Windows is on and reinstall it on a shrunk partition. Only install your stuff for work or just leave it default.And that’s it. Yourself free, but it’s still there if ever have to use it for something. You’ll groan when you do though. And if you do WFH with work 365 stuff, the best part of the day is logging off and booting back into Linux. It’s like the relief of coming home from work but you’ve been home all day.
Day 99: Install arch
Day 100: Go back to Fedora
I already have a laptop that has Arch running for a Year and I haven’t regretted that a bit.
Im just to lazy to make some space for Linux on my desktop that’s already dying and just waiting until I have replaced the Motherboard and CPU.
Especially since I will need to Dualboot for some programs and Windows really likes to kill my bootloader unless it has its own drive with its own EFI partition
VM time!
I have a windows VM to run some specific tools I need for work. Well, multiple, I have one particular tool that still is useful for certain projects that needs Windows 7 for example.
Not technically running on my desktop though. Ive got a proxmox host for it that I remote into from whatever to do what I need to.
Nice of you to skip over the whole current Nvidia driver mess regarding Linux like it’s that simple
Or the non streamlined GUI sessions and installs that are still a WIP rife with incompatibility and constantly verging on obsolete so you’re spending more and more of your time as a developer desperately seeking source rather than just using your computer as a computer.
Or the fact that no local computer stores will support Linux so if you really are stuck you remain brick stuck because of how elitist Linux usability is reserved for the technical.
I mean sure, it’s great, if you’re technical and have the kind of time to finally figure out your build.
Not so great if you’re not and strapped for time
I really don’t understand where this hostility towards Linux comes from. It’s like people WANT to hate it.
Linux supports NVIDIA GPUs just fine. You can either use the open source drivers or one click install the NVIDIA drivers from the GUI software center.
I recently bought a pre-built gaming PC with an NVIDIA GPU.
- Install Fedora from USB
- Install proprietary drivers from Software Center (GUI)
- Install Steam from software center
- Install a windows only game (Proton is configured automatically)
- Play game
Notice that none of these steps involved any googling or frustration.
You don’t need local computer stores if you get stuck. Just find a forum or chat room with a bunch of nerds and ask for help.
Sure some Linux users are elitists but most of us are just trying to build a better world out here.
Some games won’t play on linux and are bannable if you manage. R6 and destiny for example. nvid5070 doesn’t work flawlessly and will crash at load. You have to do extra config. More complex than basic usability.
Lots of details you’re skipping over there and spreading misinformation, Elitist. This is exactly what pisses me off with you linux fanbois
0.0000001% of games don’t run because their integrated malware isn’t compatible
Specific graphics card doesn’t run flawlessly (yet)
I guess that makes it misinformation to say that Linux just works in general?
This is such a wild take haha. If you don’t want to use Linux that’s fine but pointing out weird edge cases doesn’t disprove what I said.
Nvidia GPU aren’t a deal breaker on Linux with most of the common distros, it is just that their drivers aren’t baked in to the kernel and tend to be more likely to cause issues. If anything it has gotten better over the years. That being said, I went with AMD for my most recent GPU to avoid this exact issue because I did run into some serious Nvidia drives issues.
no local computer stores will support Linux
Where do you live that local computer stores are still a thing?? I haven’t seen one in 10+ years
Also, many Linux distros are very easy to use these days. I’ve gotten Zoomers using Ubuntu without issues, and they don’t even understand what files and folders are
Where do you live that local computer stores are still a thing?? I haven’t seen one in 10+ years
Elitist says what.
No workaround?
That is incorrect.
There are plenty of workarounds, here are a two:
- Use an older installer, create a local account and update.
- Install Windows 10 with a local account and upgrade.
I am all for bashing Windows, but please argue facts, not imaginations.
You can also download a Windows 11 ISO and instead of using the official Microsoft tool, use Rufus to create a bootable USB stick. You can specify a local account to create in the tool.
Pointing out to this comment that suggest another option to bypass the account :
https://reddthat.com/comment/22001680
To be clear, I agree we shouldn’t have to go through so many hoops to just not have an account on a local OS… At the same time I agree spreading misinformation on the subject is not good either…
Probably allowing you to build up precious data before fully locking you out after an update.
Here is a fact: as long as you talk about workarounds, people stay on a hostile platform. Maybe better to actually teach people to fish and not be suckers.
Here is one of my strongest held opinions:
You should not lie to get people on your side.
If your arguments are not good enough, then perhaps it is better to let people do what they are used to.
No disagreement about lying to get people on your side. That was not necessary. But also, the arguments even without the lie are still good. Microsoft shouldn’t have to lie too, to discourage people from having more control over their machines.
OK, no workaround un Win11.
But that’s beside the point: what about un 3 months? 2 years?
There have been several workarounds in Windows 11 posted in this thread.
Everytime M$ pulls the ratchet tighter more people will escape, just let it happen naturaly.
Advice about the alternatives, but don’t lie about either side.
There are things that Windows does better than the competition, the vice versa, be honest and argue in good faith.
Sorry OOTL on this. Does that mean auth won’t be local, that users won’t be able to work offline?
I’m pretty sure that your login creds get cached locally for some amount of time, so you can login without Internet. I know my corporate AAD laptop does that, but I refused to use consumer MS accounts on a personal device.
No, that just means that an installation with a Microsoft account will track you with it.
But I’m nor saying you won’t get any tracking with a local account either. In any case there is “telemetry”.
SHUT IT DOWN.
Grab that Chris Titus tool from GitHub and turn it all off
No, you just need a MS account to install windows now. Then you can go back to your local accounts.
Only Windows Home. Edu and Pro are fine with domain join option to skip, then enter local account.
