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I use debian btw 🙈
I like debians dad bud 😻
No snaps, no PPK, Stable AF, Steam just works, Even on a Hybrid video card laptop.
It’s more dependable than a hell of a lot of dads.
You’re comparing it to Ununtu, I had shits more dependable that Ubuntu
hah, tell that to a dell g15!
(it has a hardware bug(i think) that makes it freeze all the time when in hybrid video card mode in linux)
interesting. my 9000 series all run fine on https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA Optimus
as always with hardware though, ymmv
I’ve always loved debian. There’s a reason it’s a favorite on servers, and so many distros are built on it. Stable, reliable, gets the job done really well. As long as the job doesn’t require the newest packages.
😭😭😭 debian is a treasure and we will all be worse off if you succeed in bullying it
But I want my computer for dicking around in the garage, mowing the lawn. and getting a fresh beer. Involuntary dad noises are the prelude for all that. This is the best ad copy for a distro I’ve ever heard. Next you’re gonna tell me it’s predictable and stable and stoically gets things done.
He only gets off the couch every other year, too.
Awww, mocking my favourite distro. Tried so many. Not a fan of persistent tinkering. I use Debian because it’s awesome for me and my family to use as daily driver.
I’ve been using Debian for so many years (damn, I feel so old).
Since 2002 here. Now get off my lawn.
Debían DILFs interact
For me debian sounds more like a steam roller. It just works. I installed debian on my first laptop 20 years ago and I know that if I just kept dist-upgrading it every day it would still be running today.
Debian is so boring (I love it from the bottom of my hearth and use it in all my servers and personal laptop)
This is the first thing I have actually learned about Debian lmao I already respect it
As a dad who makes said noises, and a linux devotee, I approve.
I use fedora as a daily driver and debian for everything that just needs to do one thing for possibly decades to come with as little maintenance as possible.
Fedora KDE for my personal machines, Debian for my servers
Hello fellow KDE enjoyer.
get this, what if your daily driver needed as little maintenance as possible?
Sometimes, you do need some newer packages (e.g. for gaming), and Debian is … not very good at facilitating that, even if it’s usually possible, in theory, to install newer packages from Sid. Flatpaks or manually installing stuff through git etc. help, but that doesn’t work well for stuff like GPU drivers.
I game without problems on Debian Stable for years. Everyone keeps saying that and I didnt have a single problem because of “old packages”
You likely have old hardware and play old games. Which is fine on Debian.
Try playing day 1 releases of major titles on brand new hardware weeks after it releases.
It’s not fun.
Yes I rarely play day one releases, but I did with some titles, from the top of my head there was Tony Hawk Pro Skater remastered, Lies of P, Baldurs Gate 3 and Path of Excile 2.
It worked pretty good, what exact package is it that you are looking for that makes gaming on Debian impossible in regards to something like PopOs or Ubuntu, I mean you do realize that they are Debian systems right? Of course if I get a RTX 5090 on day one, I will run into issues, but I am using AMD Hardware, I don’t really have any problems. But I would argue, that running on day one hardware with a fresh 9000 Dollar RTX 6090, you are not an average user nor are you an average gamer.
What’s your hardware? I have an NVIDIA GeForce 5090, and I got the impression that debian wouldn’t be the best choice from my searches. I went with pop os instead, and while Wayland and driver support works great (Safe for some vendor specific issues like LCD and sensors not working), cosmic is honestly too much of a hassle to use right now.
If you get the driver on PopOS, you will also get in on Debian.
I lost a lot of respect for Debian due to the way they handled the whole issue with xscreensaver.
What about their handling didn’t you like?
It sounded like they were put in a pretty crappy position by the upstream adding a grumpy warning message. It’s also not like they were shipping a dangerous vulnerable old version or something, they backported security fixes into the stable version like with every other package, it just didn’t have new features and improvements and the dev was sick of being asked by users to support the old versions.
Patching out the message (which was effectively PUP malware) on testing and then porting that to stable and shifting the default to LightDM and LightLocker in future releases seems like a good solution. I probably would have dropped xscreensaver altogether in future versions (which is what the author suggested) for being malicious, but at the time there weren’t a lot of reliable alternatives and it was better for users to still have the option.
I think they should have either dropped the package or at the very least renamed it so people stop bothering jwz. Making the upstream developers deal with LTS versions they never intended to support is incredibly disrespectful.
Frankly Debian should have dropped it. If you create a situation where your users are annoying the fuck out of the author then your at fault.
Debian really did not handle the situation well. But it’s the same sort of attitude I see from shitty mod pack authors in modding communities.
They ship outdated versions and back port patches, then get pissy or don’t comply with the authors of the software they are shipping when the author rightfully gets upset at being bothered to support out dated shit.
It’s not the first nor will it be the last time a out dated distro causes this issue.
That’s a super long thread, is there a good summary somewhere for those of us who suffer from “bookmark this for later and then never revisit it” flavors of neurodivergence?
The gist of it is jwz, the maintainer of xscreensaver, received a ton of bug reports for bugs he fixed ages ago because Debian refused to update to a newer version citing “stability” as a reason. He added a warning dialog to his software to warn users that they are running an outdated version and to not report bugs to him. Debian maintainers patched it out because they are legally allowed to do so according to the license. I consider this is GNOME level of assholery. They decided on a shitty policy and then made it someone else’s problem.
Having just read the whole thread;
xscreensaver developer jwz added an allcaps/all bold notification to xscreensaver that says that the current xscreensaver version is really old. This notification could not be user canceled / okayed through. The author did this because he apparently received several emails about xscreensaver versions that were years out of date.
Debian stable’s policy is to make no updates unless they are security or bug related. This directly conflicted with jwz’s policy of only supporting the latest version of xscreensaver.
The Debian maintainers chose to remove the unskippable warning as the other options were harder to maintain / worse to use. This was specifically permissable in the xscreensaver license, but against the authors stated wishes to have xscreensaver removed entire if the warning could not be kept or the software could not be updated.
Of note, jwz escalated to yelling at the first reporter about this in his first email and swearing at another reporter in his second. The Debian stable team offered suggestions which would direct Debian users to the Debian development team for bug reports about the old versions of xscreensaver, but jwz’s hostile approach made that not happen at all.
If I install debian stable it’s because I want it to work, and to not be bothered about anything that doesn’t need to happen. That’s whole point of having Debian stable around. One of the points made in the discussion, which I strongly agree with, is that Linux software is managed in a repository, not individually. A windows program telling me out of date is obnoxious, but expected. A Linux program telling me it is out of date is a obnoxious and unexpected. (Fucking discord…)
The xscreensaver author shot himself in the foot with this one; presumably he wanted to avoid being harrassed over old versions of xscreensaver. What he ended up doing was telling everyone with an old version of xscreensaver that they need to update and then guaranteed they would harass thim about it by not giving the users an option to ignore and walk away from the message.
“It comes in three flavors: stale, useless and moldy”
edit: look at the downvotes. Sheesh, I was just going with the joke. FWIW I’m typing this on a Debian Stale machine. Same as my server.
Proudly running Debian Moldy (aka oldstable) on my servers. Fuck doing major version updates until I absolutely have to.
