• InvalidName2@lemmy.zip
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    Based on my experience, “those people” actually believe(d) that the US government is literally paying every person south of the border vast sums of money to come live here. If I had a dollar for every variation of “if you’re broke, travel to Mexico and cross the border back into the USA, they’ll give you a free debit card” I’d literally be able to afford to fly to Mexico, cross back over into the USA, and then be disappointed that nobody’s getting those magical debit cards conservatives are convinced are being handed out like candy. And I’m brown enough I’m sure I could be confused as being “Mexican”.

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      My parents believe that democrats are giving “illegal” immigrants welfare.

      We are a family of legal documented immigrants, there were barely any benefits for us (especially not the first 5 years), and anything that you could get is means tested and you need all your legal documents ready. Like wtf how do you expect undocumented immigrants of getting any welfare, wtf.

      (No they do not watch fox news, its some news account thing that they follow on WeChat.)

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      Can you sign up for them on their behalf?

      Rafael Edward Cruz, aka Ted Cruz, wasn’t actually born in the US.

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    I mean if this was a legit thing and someone wanted to leave but didn’t have the financial means then this is good, but most likely anyone who uses this will just get raided by ICE and thrown in prison instead of what it says, because that’s exactly how low and pathetic people are

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    Am I able to fly to the US for like a vacation to Vegas, then self-deport and take home a grand?

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    So while it sounds like a trap, this might also be real. It allows deportation without due process. This exact thing happened during Dwight D Eisenhower’s presidency to the letter, bonuses and everything. It’s much cheaper and easier to bulk deport if you can convince them to leave by themselves and by making life hell. Extra History JUST put out a video about the Eisenhower thing on September 1.

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      While I’m not 100% on it being a trap, we’re in an unprecedented “the cruelty is the point” era that we’ve never really faced before. If someone I knew was considering calling the line, I would do everything I could to prevent them from trying it.

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        You’re not 100%? ICE habitually shows up at official visa appointments to disappear applicants, et al, without explanation nor consequence, and you think this brand-name scam might maybe be legit?! Thafuq?

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      I was thinking more or less the same thing - if you are here illegally it’s probably both cheaper and easier to pay you $1k per person and a free flight back whence you came than to track you down, go through the legal process, and remove you against your will.

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        Forget the “legal” process (which is skipped). I wouldn’t be surprised if just the salaries of all the ICE officers and the cost of their operations is significantly more than $1000 per immigrant captured.

        The cost of the flight is probably not really saved either because they have to physically deport the ones they’ve captured anyway.

        And yet I still think it’s a trap. Call me a cynic.

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    So we the people are giving them (allegedly) $1000 instead of the multiple thousands that they could have produced for the economy. Sounds like that will definitely make us greater. 🤦

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      So we the people are giving them (allegedly) $1000 instead of the multiple thousands that they could have produced for the economy.

      sigh. the world is significantly more complicated than that


      The people are dissatisfied economically, and that’s why they voted for Trump.

      So, what determines people’s income? Wages on the free labor market are determined through supply and demand.

      When there’s a lot of supply of labor, i.e when there’s many people who could work in the country, high supply lowers prices. Prices for labor are also called wages. High number of people in the country --> lower wages. That’s where the “immigrants are taking our jobs” saying comes from. The point is not only that they’re taking jobs, but also that wages drop if there’s more supply in labor power.

      (What these republican jackasses forget to mention is that this also affects the birth rate. A lower birth rate is good for the people because it means less supply of labor power --> higher wages in the future. Yet the republicans are consistently for a higher birth rate, which makes their whole point that they actually care about the economic situation of the people inconsistent.)

      What these republican jackasses also forget to mention is that it’s not only about the supply of labor, but also the demand of labor. Higher demand means higher wages, and lower demand means lower wages.

      Now, if you’ve ever built a house you will know that the vast majority of labor requirement goes into building the house, not maintaining it. The same is true for the economy. The economy grew rapidly in the last 200 years mostly because of technological inventions, which lead to a lot of real growth in the world and that created a large demand for human labor, which made wages rise high, which is why people could live comfortably in the 1960s on a single wage income per family.

      The economy slowed down growth a lot in the last decades (+0.5% annually in 2019 compared to +3% in 1990) so that reduces the demand for human labor drastically. That’s why people earn less today than last century. If the republicans were honest, they’d recognize that fact, and they would respond by saying “ok, the free labor market doesn’t pay enough wages anymore to feed the people, so we need to help the people by giving them a universal basic income, financed by taxing the rich”. That would do significantly more to help the people than deporting immigrants, by the way, it would help at least 10x as much. That the republicans completely ignore this and don’t even speak about it shows that they are dishonest and do not have the people’s best interest at heart.

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      So, like, I get your point and all, but think of this: American will be less brown! We’re cutting our nose to whiten our face!

      -MAGA

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      They won’t be getting a 1000 dollars, but they will get a free flight to the nearest concentration camp. It’s a trap.

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      Definitely sounds like a trap.

      (What follows is a slightly unrelated anecdote.) I knew a guy who was a tax preparer back in 2009 when Obama put out the “Making Work Pay” stimulus. You basically got a tax refund of like $400 per person if you met a pretty lenient criteria.

      Well, my buddy told me that during the 2009 tax season, he would constantly have people coming into his office trying to file taxes, but they hadn’t filed in a few years. After hours of getting their paperwork together and running through the tax schedules for each year, the tax payer would find out that they owed thousands of dollars in back payments. Rather than file their taxes and paying the delinquent taxes, they would just say “yeah, all I wanted was the $400” and just walk out.

      I’m sure the IRS cleaned up that year if anyone who owed was bold enough to actually file.

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    I don’t believe for one second that they’re letting self deport through this happen.

    This is far more likely to be an ICE hotline for who to disappear next to bolster their quota numbers

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    even for this sign for non USA citizens they aren’t willing to budge on putting a non-english language